Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: mvrck22

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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is what you have a CSM for, right?

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The CSM have gotten the first peek at a highlevel direction for 0.0, and they seemed pleased. Once they've been up here to talk practical details, we should be able to diverge more.

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Diverge, or divulge? =P

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: FellRaven

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The biggest issue with PvP in 0.0 are bots that warp to safes and cloak when a hostile enters local, roam in RMT space and you'll see what I mean.

Get your priorities sorted

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I'm not entirely sure why you'd assume we can't deal with both? As far as I'm aware, CCP Sreegs has been kicking ass and taking names on the botting front.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: ModeratedToSilence

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Originally by: Vile rat

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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The CSM have gotten the first peek at a highlevel direction for 0.0, and they seemed pleased. Once they've been up here to talk practical details, we should be able to diverge more.

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We have seen a high level outline that to a great extent outlines the major problems with 0.0 life, from what the goals should be that motivate you to live there, to the major problems that make most players say "Screw this". It's a very insightful outline and I think it would provide the top to bottom overhaul that people almost universally feel should happen. I'm critical as all get out on what 0.0 is, and has become, because it needs a complete enema not tweaking the edges. They get this and if the guiding principles we've seen hold true 0.0 will indeed own once implemented.

What that actually is going to be remains to be seen because details haven't been introduced on any level. Next week we begin discussing this and hopefully my tentative endorsement holds true then.

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Wouldn't it make more sense for CCP to:
1. Discuss long term with the CSM
2. Get CSM feedback regarding the long term plan
3. Outline the long term plan to the player base
4. Break the long term plan down into patch sized steps
5. Implement the steps.

What is happening in this thread is reactionary rather than proactive and it is happening on other forums and forms of communication as well. No one will agree with every change that needs to happen. Everyone agrees that 0.0 needs to change. By essentially blindsiding the player base with a change that addresses 1 random issue CCP are creating anenvironemnt of dissent.

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I think we're doing this in terms of longer scale development, at least to some extent. We're developing the plan, which we'll share with the CSM this month, and hopefully we'll be able to show the players shortly after that.

This is an isolated change that has been slated to happen for a while.

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Originally by: Vile rat

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Originally by: ModeratedToSilence

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Wouldn't it make more sense for CCP to:
1. Discuss long term with the CSM
2. Get CSM feedback regarding the long term plan
3. Outline the long term plan to the player base
4. Break the long term plan down into patch sized steps
5. Implement the steps.

What is happening in this thread is reactionary rather than proactive and it is happening on other forums and forms of communication as well. No one will agree with every change that needs to happen. Everyone agrees that 0.0 needs to change. By essentially blindsiding the player base with a change that addresses 1 random issue CCP are creating anenvironemnt of dissent.

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Yeah but we deal with the hand we got.

When it was said we were encouraged by the revamp top level outline that's true, not the same with this change. Not happy with this change at all. We are able to influence some changes to the final product but if they gonna do a thang they gonna do a thang. The JB changes blow, I hate them, I think they aren't going to achieve the desired result and it was fought. In the end we are forced to agree to disagree and move on as this is an inevitability and there are limits to what we can impact. We were able to get changes to blunt the immediate damage and smooth some rough edges but the end result is the best deal that could be had.

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Originally by: Vile rat

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Originally by: Smoking Blunts

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what is the point in the csm if you can not speak for us on changes that are stupid

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We did.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: Ay Liz

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F
On to the great plan you have. Like others already pointed out, we haven't seen your outline for 0.0 and only see you taking away things that make our lives easier. Maybe you should add something new.. Incentives to live in 0.0 as you called it. Taking away all the good stuff (anomalies, now convenient JB networks) and making our lives miserable until you decide to add something new in 2 years doesn't sound very appealing to anyone.

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Won't be two years. You'll hear the early parts of it before this month is up.

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: Sister Bliss

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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We'll be looking at 0.0 this winter. We're hammering down the principles we'll work by as we speak, and they're being reviewed by the CSM. Once they've had their chance to give feedback in person (later this month), I'll happily post the groundwork for everyone to see. From there on, detailed designwork and implementation.

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What the **** have you been doing for the past 18 months? No, I mean seriously.

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Incursions and little things.

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Originally by: Svennig

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Originally by: WisdomPanda

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Still waiting for one good reason why this isn't being deployed in the winter package.

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not empty quoting

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